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	<title>Comments on: Fighting For The Loebner Prize</title>
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		<title>By: Seogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seogan.com/humans-or-robots&quot;&gt;http://www.seogan.com/humans-or-robots&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: ITtradeOnline</title>
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		<dc:creator>ITtradeOnline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched this video really careful. I found interesting the fact that some humans could not differentiate between computer and another human; and I think the test really showed that a computer could fool a lot of people (me included perhaps); as long as you do not know who is on the other side, could be really tricky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched this video really careful. I found interesting the fact that some humans could not differentiate between computer and another human; and I think the test really showed that a computer could fool a lot of people (me included perhaps); as long as you do not know who is on the other side, could be really tricky!</p>
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		<title>By: Brianmce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brianmce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 04:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m purely an interested observer.  I think AI is one of the most fascinating and significant problems going, but unfortunately its also one of the most difficult ones.  I don&#039;t hold much hope for it being solved in the near future, but it&#039;s interesting to speculate about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#39;m purely an interested observer.  I think AI is one of the most fascinating and significant problems going, but unfortunately its also one of the most difficult ones.  I don&#39;t hold much hope for it being solved in the near future, but it&#39;s interesting to speculate about.</p>
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		<title>By: sbspalding</title>
		<link>http://howtosplitanatom.com/the-news/fighting-for-the-loebner-prize/comment-page-1/#comment-24982</link>
		<dc:creator>sbspalding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t have said it better, thanks for the exchange mate. Do you work in AI or are you just interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#39;t have said it better, thanks for the exchange mate. Do you work in AI or are you just interested?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that a lot of the time it can still fake it.  *We* may solve a particular task by deep reasoning, clever ideas and creativity, only to be surpassed by a computer which merely brute forces the problem (eg Chess).  Hence all tests like this are subject to the &quot;but its not *really* thinking&quot; complaint.  This is why an open-ended test like Turing&#039;s is so important.  Rather than trying to devise a test to act as a proxy for intelligence, just compare using exactly the same criteria we would use to judge people (excluding irrelevant giveaways like non being an organic humanoid lifeform etc).  If they&#039;re truly indistinguishable, then I think it merits the intelligence claim.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only problem with the test is that people often seem to mistake it for a direction, rather than a finish line.  I don&#039;t believe we&#039;ll ever pass a properly conducted Turing test merely by constructing ever more elaborate Eliza clones any more than we could reach the moon by building a really *good* wooden ladder.  You could build a hundred meter one and call it progress, but compared to the guy playing with rockets who&#039;s yet to get a centimetre off the ground you&#039;ve accomplished nothing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Events like the Loebner are thus ultimately a sideshow - building a better chatbot might fool some people, but it will never get you over the finish line - don&#039;t mistake it for progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that a lot of the time it can still fake it.  *We* may solve a particular task by deep reasoning, clever ideas and creativity, only to be surpassed by a computer which merely brute forces the problem (eg Chess).  Hence all tests like this are subject to the &#8220;but its not *really* thinking&#8221; complaint.  This is why an open-ended test like Turing&#39;s is so important.  Rather than trying to devise a test to act as a proxy for intelligence, just compare using exactly the same criteria we would use to judge people (excluding irrelevant giveaways like non being an organic humanoid lifeform etc).  If they&#39;re truly indistinguishable, then I think it merits the intelligence claim.</p>
<p>The only problem with the test is that people often seem to mistake it for a direction, rather than a finish line.  I don&#39;t believe we&#39;ll ever pass a properly conducted Turing test merely by constructing ever more elaborate Eliza clones any more than we could reach the moon by building a really *good* wooden ladder.  You could build a hundred meter one and call it progress, but compared to the guy playing with rockets who&#39;s yet to get a centimetre off the ground you&#39;ve accomplished nothing.</p>
<p>Events like the Loebner are thus ultimately a sideshow &#8211; building a better chatbot might fool some people, but it will never get you over the finish line &#8211; don&#39;t mistake it for progress.</p>
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		<title>By: sbspalding</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbspalding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point. I think most standard tests for cognitive ability could be&lt;br&gt;surpassed by a computer. I do think that the problem you&#039;ll find will be in&lt;br&gt;the arena of creative problem solving. No matter how &quot;smart&quot; a program is,&lt;br&gt;as it stands we don&#039;t have sufficiently advanced models for creativity (even&lt;br&gt;with genetic algorithms and other AI black magic) to create a system that&lt;br&gt;we&#039;d view as overly intelligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point. I think most standard tests for cognitive ability could be<br />surpassed by a computer. I do think that the problem you&#39;ll find will be in<br />the arena of creative problem solving. No matter how &#8220;smart&#8221; a program is,<br />as it stands we don&#39;t have sufficiently advanced models for creativity (even<br />with genetic algorithms and other AI black magic) to create a system that<br />we&#39;d view as overly intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the beauty of the test.  If creative problem solving abilities allow you to distinguish human from computer, then that is a reasonable thing for the interrogator to talk about - ask the computer to solve a creative problem.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Loebner is a very watered down version of the Turing test (short timespan, only 30% of people etc) - the real test involves an interrogator actively trying to distinguish who is what.  Because questions are completely open, the qualities required to deal with such a conversation ultimately covers everything we think of as our mental faculties.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be much *easier* to write a computer that matches or surpasses a human on an IQ test than it would to pass the turing test.  IQ tests are a fairly restricted domain of questions after all.  I suspect that such a program could easily be written today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s the beauty of the test.  If creative problem solving abilities allow you to distinguish human from computer, then that is a reasonable thing for the interrogator to talk about &#8211; ask the computer to solve a creative problem.</p>
<p>The Loebner is a very watered down version of the Turing test (short timespan, only 30% of people etc) &#8211; the real test involves an interrogator actively trying to distinguish who is what.  Because questions are completely open, the qualities required to deal with such a conversation ultimately covers everything we think of as our mental faculties.</p>
<p>It would be much *easier* to write a computer that matches or surpasses a human on an IQ test than it would to pass the turing test.  IQ tests are a fairly restricted domain of questions after all.  I suspect that such a program could easily be written today.</p>
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		<title>By: sbspalding</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbspalding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s actually really cool, thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s actually really cool, thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: amichail</title>
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		<dc:creator>amichail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out this Web 2.0 approach to chatbots: &lt;a href=&quot;http://chatbotgame.com&quot;&gt;http://chatbotgame.com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just as Deep Blue brute-forced it in chess with speed, the idea behind the Chatbot Game is to brute-force it with a huge number of user-submitted Google-like chat rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this Web 2.0 approach to chatbots: <a href="http://chatbotgame.com">http://chatbotgame.com</a>.</p>
<p>Just as Deep Blue brute-forced it in chess with speed, the idea behind the Chatbot Game is to brute-force it with a huge number of user-submitted Google-like chat rules.</p>
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		<title>By: sbspalding</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbspalding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. I like the spirit of it but I think it falls short of proving&lt;br&gt;intelligence. I don&#039;t even think Turing -wanted- it to act as a proxy for&lt;br&gt;intelligence. If you look at the paper, it&#039;s approached as a philosophical&lt;br&gt;experiment as much as anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. I like the spirit of it but I think it falls short of proving<br />intelligence. I don&#39;t even think Turing -wanted- it to act as a proxy for<br />intelligence. If you look at the paper, it&#39;s approached as a philosophical<br />experiment as much as anything else.</p>
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